The Question of Talent
One year and two days ago, former Nebraska secondary coach Corey Raymond said this after the Huskers let a lead slip away against South Carolina in the 2012 Capital One Bowl:
“Just be honest. Look at them, look at us. It’s pretty obvious.”
He was talking about talent.
Two days ago, current Nebraska secondary coach Terry Joseph said this after the Huskers let a lead slip away against Georgia in the 2013 Capital One Bowl:
“We have a ways to go as a program. When you play against a team like that, and to win at a real high level, you got to have depth, and you’ve got to have guys who can finish.”
He, too, was talking about talent, albeit in a less direct, more genteel way. A lot of people who follow Nebraska football are talking about talent right now.
On one hand, that’s not surprising. The more talent a team has, the better off it is. Nobody disputes this point. So when you have a program, like Nebraska, that has yet to meet or exceed sky-high expectations, getting more talent is a popular “fix.”
Theoretically, a coach can always get more talent. You can shop for it. When you run out of milk you go to the store and get more. The store is never out of milk and America is always stocked with footballing talent. Should a coach prove that he isn’t great at picking up milk from the store, he typically isn’t the coach for long at a place like Nebraska.
That’s a significantly easier answer than confronting the more mysterious notions of player development, confidence, consistency, or strategy. Coaches have to create that stuff. It isn’t at the store.
So am I surprised that talent is the hot button topic at the moment? I am not. It’s the easier answer.
But, as someone who’s never fully bought that Nebraska lacks talent, I am surprised that what was a close game against a Georgia team that definitely isn’t lacking for talent, seemingly did nothing to slow that discussion. Sure, the 2012 Blackshirts could have used a defining playmaker at one or two key spots, but was there a wide gulf between what the Bulldogs put on the field and what the Huskers had out there?
Every person who follows recruiting knows that the star system is an inexact science – projections, by definition, are inexact – but this stops almost nobody from using those rankings as a basis for comparison. So let’s use them for a little back of the envelope math in an effort to come up with an objective comparison.
Georgia’s 22 starters in the Capital One Bowl, including one walk-on with no ranking who was removed from the calculation, had an average Rivals ranking of 3.62 stars. Nebraska’s 22 starters, including two unranked walk-ons (also removed), had an average of 3.3 stars. Georgia’s starters, as a whole, were believed to be three-tenths of a star better than Nebraska’s coming out of high school. That number doesn’t tell us much on its own, so let’s go further.
In 2012, Iowa State and Central Florida ranked 60th and 61st in the Rivals team rankings when sorted for average star ranking. With 122 teams playing FBS football at the time, that makes their recruiting classes the median in college football for that year. The average player on the median class in 2012 had 2.76 stars, which gives us a general idea of how good the average FBS signee was that year. Do that for the past five classes – which would includes almost every player who could still be playing – and the average player in college football was a 2.67-star player.
Now back to the Capital One Bowl. Georgia’s starters on Tuesday were 35.6% better than that mythical “average guy.” Nebraska’s were 23.6% better. What does a gap of 12 percentage points actually look like on the field? It’s about one or two players. If Baker Steinkuhler, the only five-star prospect Nebraska has signed since 2008 according to Rivals, starts that game, the Huskers’ overall average climbs to 3.4 stars per player. Go down the list of Nebraska commits under Pelini and, with a couple of key insertions, you can close that gap between the Bulldogs and Huskers pretty quickly.
Talent matters. Matt Hinton has done a good job of quantifying how much it matters over the years, but it’s important to realize what a fine line we’re talking about here.
Three star players make up nearly 40% of the signees in any given year and the top 40 or so schools in any give year out are almost defined more by their ability to not dip below that three-star mark. Over the past five seasons, only USC has had a class where the average player was better than 4-stars (2012, 2010). This year the Trojans became the first team in history to open the season at No. 1 in the AP poll and finish with six losses.
Since 2002, Nebraska’s fallen below that average three-star mark twice. The first was the 2004 class when Bill Callahan was hired with less than a month to go before signing day. The second was in 2008, when Bo Pelini had to cobble together his class in two months.
You saw a lot of that class, particularly on defense, in Orlando this week. The question on many Husker fans’ minds right now is how a leaky defense will be better next year with so many players gone and so many unknowns.
But if you favor the talent argument, consider this: Since that 2008 class, Pelini’s average signee comes in at 3.34 stars. Callahan, whose Nebraska tenure was defined by recruiting and little else, averaged a 3.31-star signee over his final three seasons.
Nebraska has talent. A team can always use more, but that’s only part of the equation. Getting better players can definitely increase a team’s margin for error, but so can committing fewer errors.
Which is more important to the future success of Nebraska football? I know where I’d start.






January 3, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Stars, coaching and execution are all factors that combine to win games. Shawn Watson just showed what his offense can do so was he our problem. When all three factors align, you have a chance which means it comes down to luck. A bounce here. A bad call there. A momentary lapse in play calling or execution. Scholarship limits has increased parity in the top 30-40 programs. If I were head coach, I think I would spread some of my earnings with my assistants for accountability. Assistants would be flocking to Nebraska even if it is a stepping stone to prove their worth in coaching AND recruiting. The Huskers are 19th in coaching salary ranking http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/11/19/ncaa-college-football-head-coach-salary-database/1715543/.
You get what you pay for.
January 3, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Good article…
January 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm
You are clueless the talent is a joke..and getting worse….Georgia s top 3 receivers did not play in this game NO 1 and 2 lost to ACL before cap one bowl and third best sat out the second half…Georgia played their worst game of the year and when they decided to play put up 22 straight points……rivals.com has not ranked a class of Bo s in top 25….now Callahan s final 6 recruits…THE HEART of this years team are gone….our linebackers cannot stay with anyone and the Pelini personality causes penalties at key moments..we are a program in decline…you guys want more in state talent..let me help you Neb has 1 4 star prospect and 2 3 star….THAT's IT…
January 3, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Program's in decline don't win 9 or 10 games every year for 5 years straight. It's more like an above average program that's stuck in neutral and needs to figure out how to make it over the top.
January 3, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Most rushing yards EV ER given up by a Husker team..to a 5 loss team……2nd most total yards to UCLA…beating cream puffs is a joke in a WEAK Big 10…..Total blowout to the true conference champion OSU…what am I missing…now the remaing 6 callie recruits are gone..ask
Lovie Smith about 10 win seasons…when Callahan was fired TO said it wash t about the record its about the way we lost…..these are worse defensive games than under Cosgrove..why does Bo get a 3 million dollar hall pass???
January 3, 2013 at 7:19 pm
No one is saying they're happy with 9 or 10 wins and blowout losses…but I also don't think that getting rid of Bo right now is the answer. Who would come to Nebraska that's better?
January 3, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Kelley worked out pretty well for Notre Dame and Bilema left….its called MONEY…we could get a top PROVEN Head Coach…the Pelini experiment failed interesting he gave up more PPG and Yards per game than all 3 categories top 25 top 50 and top 75 teams than Cosgroves 2007 team and fans were chanting at his kids high school game and you guys talk like Bo is the answer
January 3, 2013 at 9:52 pm
@ Bill…Who would come to Nebraska that's better? That's the defeatist attitude that keeps us saddled with Pelini. If you think he's the best that we can do, you can just go ahead and accept blow out losses and no titles of any kind from here on out. There are so many better coaches out there. If we pay the money, we can find someone better. You keep searching until you find the right one. Just like Bama. Just like ND.
January 3, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Maybe Georgia played their worst game of the year because of Nebraska's talent on defense. Of course, that would mean you would have to say something nice about the Huskers…
January 4, 2013 at 2:33 am
talent on defense..they played without their 3 best receivers and ate our secondary alive…its over for top ten finishes by Pelini and company…if you are happy with mediocrity and beating Northwestern as a highlight…stay with BOBO the clown
January 5, 2013 at 5:18 am
You all are right, ten wins sucks! Fire the coach then shut down our program, were finished! First off all what top coach would want to come to Nebraska, try to recruit to Nebraska, and listen to all you whine after multiple ten win seasons in tough conferences with the #50 recruiting class in the nation! Recruits are lining up to play for you pathetic fans. You're the same people BOOing at our home games when our "more talented" recruits are on the sidelines that just decided to go elsewhere, where that BS doesnt happen! Best fans in college football, HAHAAHAHA!
January 3, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Wat to schew numbers by leaving out Callahan s top class!
January 3, 2013 at 7:15 pm
All of Callahan's classes are included. I removed the first classes for both Pelini and Callahan as those were less than ideal circumstances for each. Seemed like a more fair comparison. Overall, the quality of player in all of Callahan's classes was 3.12. Pelini's is 3.34.
January 3, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Do you understand that stat is meaningless because its the top 4 and 5 star difference makers that pile up that make top 10 teams
January 3, 2013 at 4:46 pm
The 1995 Nebraska team has been ranked the very best team in the history of NCAA football. That team was ranked 28th as freshman. There is more to football than stars. If stars were all that were important, Texas would win all their games every year. The tendency of the defense to collapse in specific games has more to do with the defensive plan than the individuals on the field. Lack of tackling fundamentals is coaching and not depending on their high school muscle memory.
January 3, 2013 at 4:49 pm
That class was never ranked 28th…and Charlie McBride on radio stuffed that comment when he said he had linebackers that ran 10.3 100 yard dashes back then….and 4 losses every year and the embarrassing blowouts on National tv speaks for itself…..our lack of speed is very apparent
January 3, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Further your average does not hold water because the 2 to 3 more 4 and 5 star are difference makers…over a 4 year span of top classes you have 10 to 12 difference makers Where would Osborn be without Tommie Frazier or Scott Frost or Peter brothers?
January 3, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Your droning comments and know it all attitude need a rest dude.
January 3, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Heh I lettered at Nebraska and love the Huskers but I live out in Cali and Nebraska football outside the state has lost its aura..I have no problem with other views…one problem…everything I said are the facts..that won t be changed with good old Nebraska "the glass is half full attitude…I never said we don t have great kids on our teams…its whether we will ever again be a top 10 program with the respect NU tradition deserves..GBR
January 4, 2013 at 2:57 pm
lettered in swimming ^^^
January 4, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Its not what you are saying George, its how you are saying it.
January 16, 2013 at 9:55 pm
i dont care where or why he lettered i grew up a block away from the stadium, im a born husker fan i was raised on tom osborne and national championships, if he says bo is the man to do it im going to listen to dr. tom osborne, not some lettered swimmer.
January 3, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Great article Brandon. It's always difficult to try and quantify what is happing in a program. I think this is a great way to bring some numbers to an otherwise difficult argument. I believe like most that there are still some gaps in talent, however, I am convinced that is not the reason Nebraska lost convincingly in its four games. If talent is the only problem, then you would see it all year long. Thanks for stopping by our site everyone!
January 3, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Nebraska suffers from both a lack of football talent and a lack of player development. Both of those are the results of a mediocre coach. A good example of that same situation was Notre Dame under Charlie Weis. ND had great talent when he was there, but incomptent coaching and non-existent player delvelpment. In comes Brian Kelly. The talent implroves, but the player development explodes. The result: Notre Dame is playing for the National Championship.
January 3, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Your invalid statistical arguments aside, Georgia was out of our class. There was no point in that game in which I was uncertain who was going to win. This entire season, the only teams which were actually inferior to us were the three money teams and Minnesota. Georgia and Ohio State were way out of our league, and the remainder of the teams were about even. Except for the Wisconsin route, the remaining games were toss-ups, and we were very lucky to have lost only one of them. This was a 10-4 team that was really closer to an 8-6 team.
Five years prove that 4 losses is the best we can do with Pelini. And this was supposed to be his best year, with a double-shot of seniors from his first two recruiting classes.
Only having a weaker schedule next season may save us from having a worse record.
January 3, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Huskers sorely need playmakers at CB/S. They had guys in perfect position several times Tuesday, to at the very least knock the ball down, or even make an INT. Instead they were huge gains/TD's. Difference in the game. Plus, they need a couple of disruptive defensive linemen. Fairly obvious to anyone watching the games that against the better offenses, these guys get exposed pretty bad.
January 3, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Talent is one thing and I think we have some gaps. But what about all the penalties and being out of position? That is a coaching issue.
January 3, 2013 at 10:34 pm
The information in this article is spinning in favor of the author's argument. When he uses the avg star ranking according to the respective recruiting ranking service he is using, he is only basing it on star level; Not that I buy completely into the star rankings but there are varying levels of each star: there is the "#1" 4-star player and then the very last 4-star player….there is a difference in talent of each 4-star-rated player. So, to use soley the star rating of each player is mis-leading in his argument for the talent gap being close. Everyone who isn't myopic can see that UGA players "looked the part" and passed the eyeball test relative to the Huskers….Just my humble opinion.
January 5, 2013 at 5:03 am
I think he said that in the article. You might have figured it all out though, we need to recruit more "upper" four stars.
January 3, 2013 at 11:46 pm
I believe the ESPN analyst had it right when indicating the Huskers overachieved this year, but have tremendous prospects for next year. The point of the article is we need to carve an identity just as Osborne and Bob did it days of old, whatever that is. Kansas State and Wisconsin seem to have caught the character of what the Huskers were in the past (although no where near the dynasty we had). The point is this year Bo needs to map out what the program is going have as it's hallmark from here on, otherwise we haphazardly recruit and execute.
January 4, 2013 at 12:41 am
I like this article, but I also agree with the people saying there are gaps between the #1 4-Star recruit and the last 4-Star recruit. But also, Rex Burkhead was a 4-Star prospect according to Rivals and only a 3-Star according to Scout. Marlon Lucky was a 5-Star according to both. Which one was the biggest "difference maker" as all of you so love to put it. Obviously it's Rex. Sure, stars are generally somewhat accurate when it comes to defining talent, but we all know they aren't perfect. Nebraska's talent would appear to be less, but who knows honestly.
January 4, 2013 at 2:27 pm
This analysis is not done correctly and therefore totally misleading. Ok, let's assume that the star ratings accurately reflect(though they sometimes don't) a player's impact on the field. Using 3 and 4 stars only, as these comprise the majority of any good team's roster, GA, @ 3.62*s/22 players, means they put about 14 4* and 6 3 * guys on the field. NE, @ 3.3/22, puts about 7 4* and 15 3* on the field. The "median college football team", who's roster is mainly made up of 2 and 3* guys, puts about 15 3* and 7 2 * guys out there. Therefore GA puts about 7 4* guys on both sides of the ball to NE's 4, and I would favor that matchup most of the time. The "average" team puts 7 3* and 4 2* guys out there and that's why they are in the MAC and Sunbelt conferences and such and rarely beat the big boy schools.
To say that there is a 12% talent gap is innacurate. It is better to say GA has nearly 70% 4* talent and NE 30%, which is VERY significant. No, NE NEEDS more talent, more stars–as many as possible, please.
January 4, 2013 at 2:43 pm
correction: that should read "8 3* guys" for GA
January 5, 2013 at 5:23 am
Mathematical genius! Footballs all about the Star level of a 18yo high school senior. More stars please.
January 5, 2013 at 2:27 am
All I know is what I see on the field and what I saw was lack of speed and talent in the secondary for us as related to SEC caliber receivers. We got burned on every deep route. Looked small and slow on the D line compared to Georgia. Everybody in the B1G Ten needs to realize that everybody is going to play second fiddle to Urban Meyer's Buckeyes unless the recruiting and coaching schemes evolve to match that. This will all fall at the feet of the coaches.